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How not to paint an engine
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2008, 09:27:22 PM »
This is another learn by doing things wrong story.

I have known the gentleman who built the 401 for the GS a long time, and he is a good friend. I
don't have a machine shop full of engine equipment, so I need to pay to have this type of work done. I collected parts for several years, and when I was ready, he got the rebuild started. He assembled the short block, with the heads bolted on. I took it from there. There was still some oil in a number of places on the external surfaces of the block and heads from the assembly process.

I cleaned the outside as best I could with brake clean/carb clean chemicals and lacquer thinner/ mineral spirits. After spending what seemed like days doing this, I masked off what shouldn't be painted and primed it with SEM etching primer. I let it sit for a day. After this, I noticed that large areas of the primer were cracked, and some of it was flaking off. I fired off an e-mail to SEM with a few photos for a technical opinion. The reply was not really what I wanted to hear. The primer I used was not at all meant for this type of application. The short story - it needed to be completely stripped off.

So, back to the engine shop. The entire engine was disassembled and re-jet cleaned. Before even starting the engine assembly a second time, I made several trips there ( about a 1 hour drive 1 way) to paint at least two coats of Buick Green on the bare block and heads. Then he assembled everything, and I picked it up. That cost me the price of an engine teardown and reassemble. And time+gas.

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Body Shop Fun
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2008, 01:05:13 PM »
There is probably more to this story than I remember, but I think it's worth telling.

Like expertise and machine tools for building engines, I possess no experience or tools for doing bodywork or paint. Those of you who can do this have my admiration. The paint that was on the car when I bought it was faded almost to a flat finish, and was cracking and flaking off. It was obviously a low quality, quicky paint job. The GS started out having the quarters and decklid stripped to bare metal, straightened and primed. I then did the doors, removing them in the process. The car had been hit at some point in the past and the front sheetmetal on the car was pieced together from a parts yard from whoever repaired it after the accident. I sold it all to a happy buyer, it was rust-free, but nowhere near the quality I wanted. I found fenders locally that were dragged to MN from California. I also sourced the inner fenders from the west coast. Good right side inners are hard to find, as they rust out under the battery in almost all the Skylarks. The hood was picked up from an individual in Wisconsin. The core support came from a 65 GS parts car I had acquired locally.

After the body and frame were separated, the body sat for about 3 years. It went into the body shop for phase I to block it straight, paint the underside and firewall, paint the dash/a-pillars/package tray area, and jamb everything. I got the shell back after about 2 years, but the work was excellent. It was back on the frame within a few weeks of its arrival home. It took another 4 years or so before I was ready for paint.

Phase II started with dropping off the rolling frame/body sans front sheetmetal. Once the blocking and prime work on that were well along, I dropped off the fenders/hood/core support/inner fenders. The fenders and hood were also given a thorough going over - block, block more, and then some more blocking. It was finished to a point where the car shell was finished in primer/sealer, as were the fenders and hood. At this time the front sheetmetal needed to be test-fit before paint. We ran into a number of issues (minor in hindsite) fitting everything, and it took a month of, for lack of other words, screwing around with it, before we were satisfied with the fit. It probably is as good as you can get a production car without welding and grinding panel edges. The top of the car was painted first. It had a black vinyl top when I bought it. I removed it the first year of ownership. I liked the black top, and have seen a number of 64-65 a-bodies with painted tops. The tag reads TT - Champagne Mist top and bottom. Maybe the vinyl top was installed by the dealer or someone else early on. Then the car was painted with the color/clear coats. The painter had it for another 5-6 weeks color sanding and buffing. Phase II took about 20 months. The car looks great - beyond my expectations. The painter really deserves credit, as he went way above any reasonable amount of hours that he put into this thing to make sure it came out right and that I was going to be pleased.
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Re: 65 4-Speed Restoration
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2008, 07:45:17 PM »
Here are a few pics of the engine installation one year ago. The only real issues I recall were that we had to grind down the new flywheel bolts. They were ARP for a Chev and were a bit too long - The new pilot bushing had to be reamed a bit for the input shaft to fit. We installed the trans and bellhousing in the car first, so we could drop the engine basically straight down. Getting the input shaft into the clutch disc and pilot was not too fun. The next day after it was in, we noticed gear lube pouring out of the trans. One of the gaskets between the case and tailshaft was installed incorrectly.

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Re: 65 4-Speed Restoration
« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2008, 07:49:30 PM »
Here is the engine in the car.

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Re: 65 4-Speed Restoration
« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2008, 07:55:32 PM »
Last winter I spent a lot of time getting more parts plated, and trim parts re-chromed and/or re-anodized. I also started collecting rubber parts. I installed the wheel opening mouldings not long after the engine was in. I got the rocker mouldings back some time later. I masked off the tops and bottoms of the mouldings, and resprayed the black between the ribs with Rustoleum Flat Black. I then wiped off the ribs with mineral spirits and clean rags.

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Re: 65 4-Speed Restoration
« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2008, 08:03:45 PM »
I'm now working on installing the aluminum belt reveal mouldings. The only company making the correct weatherstrip is Steele.
I'm also getting ready to reassemble the vent wings. I completely tore them down. I had the diecast a-pillar sections re-chromed. I bead blasted the horizontal section of the vent frame and painted with Seymor's Stainless Steel. I also had the vertical stainless trim, which just slides off the frame, polished. I still need to get the vent wings lock levers back from the chrome shop. There is also some hardware for installing the vent into the door that is exposed which is chrome, don't have that back either.
I don't want to hurry this along too much.

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Re: 65 4-Speed Restoration
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2008, 08:13:41 PM »
The rear bumper was hung on it this summer. I also worked on the taillights quite a bit. This is a really nice set I picked about ten years ago. There are only a handful of pits on the right housing. The left housing and center bars are pit-free. I may try and find a set to rechrome after the car is finished, but these will definitely do for now. After cleaning all the old gasket residue off the back (Permatex Spray On Gasket Remover works great) I polished them front and back. Then, I masked off the entire housing except for the silver accents. I used Krylon Dull Aluminum to repaint this area, it's a near perfect match. Then I re-masked the housings to paint the black accents. Back to Rustoleum Flat Black for that. You can read about installing the housings in "How-To's".

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Re: 65 4-Speed Restoration
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2008, 08:44:33 PM »
Here's a link to a thread on V8Buick that Brian started when he came up to help install the engine.
A few more photos there.

http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=138302&highlight=mark+ascher

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Re: 65 4-Speed Restoration
« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2009, 11:11:07 AM »
Trying to get some updates here. Gas tank is now in. It's a Tamraz product, made in Canada.
I used a Patton Glade insulator pad. It was still a mutha to get the strap nuts started.

Mark
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Re: 65 4-Speed Restoration
« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2009, 02:02:15 PM »
These are a little hard to see. These are the restored front park light housings. I must have purchased and tossed 15-20 of these before getting a decent set to fix. Both needed studs repaired, and they were replated by Beringer Plating in Ohio. Rustoleum white inside. Chris' lenses should look good on these. I can't find the original "painted" amber 1157 bulbs though. All the later ones have amber glass.

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Re: 65 4-Speed Restoration
« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2009, 09:14:58 AM »
This is one of the hood hinges. They were both gray phosphate plated by Steve Gregori - www.brakeboosters.com.

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Re: 65 4-Speed Restoration
« Reply #41 on: July 24, 2009, 09:26:58 AM »
There is a rubber filler that attaches to the pinch weld just under the taillights. I believe this filler is used to minimize light from the license plate light from entering the taillight area. The one from my car was dust, so I threw it away. I was able to get a couple of other good ones to choose from to use. These were either stapled or clipped on. Mine was stapled, but I chose to do the clip version. The clips are almost impossible to find, I found these on ebay from a regular Skylark being parted out, and had them replated.

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Re: 65 4-Speed Restoration
« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2009, 09:48:53 AM »
Assembling the bumper brackets to bumpers. I'm glad I did the bumper replating long ago. I don't think I could afford to do it now. I had a quote to do a nice 65 front core I bought a few months ago, and was almost $500. Bumper brackets were beadblasted and spray bombed. You could easily tell they had been dipped black from the factory. All of the bolts/nuts were replated by a now defunct small local plating company. Thanks EPA.

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Re: 65 4-Speed Restoration
« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2009, 10:01:50 AM »
I was able to locate an NOS grille and headlight bezels over the course of the restoration. I don't have pictures of the grille handy, but since they were Skylark pieces, all of the areas behind the bars need to painted black for a GS. Ditto on the bezels. Since I had an original GS grille and bezels handy, that was my guide on what to mask. The grille itself was a pretty intense masking project. These are the headlight bezels after I painted the black areas. Note: the upper 'triangle' area on the GS bezels stay silver, not painted black.

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Re: 65 4-Speed Restoration
« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2009, 10:12:24 AM »
This picture shows a test fit of the radiator in the car after all the work that was done to get it right. As I stated in an earlier post, this car had been in a wreck in the front sometime in the past. The radiator tank on the right side (for the upper hose) was pretty rough, and had been repaired from the inside with a ball peen hammer. I sourced a good used tank from a contact on V8Buick.com, but the tank had a couple of cracks that needed to be patched from the inside & soldered after it was cleaned up. I had the tanks soldered to a new core. It's currently having the tanks finished and painted at the body shop.

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65 GS HT 4 Speed
66 Impala 396/TH400/12 Bolt
95 Roadmaster Wagon
69 Bel Air 2 Door Sedan "Project Junior Stock"